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10% Happier with Dan Harris

Ways to End Bias That Will Also Make You Happier | Jessica Nordell

10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Media, LLC

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.612.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 January 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Jessica Nordell is a science and culture journalist who has written for the Atlantic and the New York Times. She earned a B.A. in physics from Harvard and an M.F.A. in poetry from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Her new book is called The End of Bias, A Beginning: The Science and Practice of Overcoming Unconscious Bias. 


This episode explores: why humans evolved to have biases; what happens physiologically when biases are challenged; why some of the most popular personal and institutional strategies for confronting biases do not work; the role mindfulness and loving kindness meditation can play in reducing bias; and the power of studying history.


This episode is part one of a weeklong series the TPH podcast is doing about bias. Part two features Bob Wright, author of Why Buddhism is True, who has done some interesting work to challenge his own tribal instincts.


Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/jessica-nordell-410


Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the 10% Happier Podcast.

0:05.9

I'm Dan Harris.

0:08.5

Hey, everybody.

0:11.5

We all, of course, know that bias can lead to massive problems in our culture.

0:17.4

But we might think that prejudice and tribalism are problems for other people to solve.

0:24.4

That assumption came back to bite my guest today when she embarked upon a journalistic

0:28.4

investigation of what causes humans to be biased and how we can deal with it.

0:33.3

Shandered up seeing that she had some humbling blind spots and assumptions of her own.

0:39.1

Jessica Nordell is a science and culture journalist who is written for the Atlantic and the New

0:44.5

York Times, among other publications.

0:47.0

She was educated at MIT and Harvard.

0:48.9

Her new book is called The End of Bias of Beginning, the science and practice of overcoming

0:54.1

unconscious bias.

0:56.3

I love this interview.

0:57.5

She's fascinating.

0:58.5

We talked about why we humans evolved to have biases, what happens in our bodies when

1:03.8

somebody challenges our biases, why some of the most popular personal and institutional

1:09.2

strategies for confronting bias don't work.

1:12.6

The role, mindfulness and loving kindness meditation can play in reducing bias and the

1:18.4

surprising to me at least power of studying history in this regard.

1:24.0

I should say this is part one of a week long series we're doing on bias on Wednesday.

1:28.7

We have Robert Wright, author of the fantastic book Why Buddhism Is True, who has done some

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