You're listening to Radiotopia Presents from PRX's Radiotopia.

Hello, showcase listeners, I'm Julie Shapiro, executive producer of Radiotopia.

Occasionally, between Showcase Series will bring you surprise bonus episodes like the

one you're about to hear.

It's a recording of a live conversation inspired by Ways of Hearing the very first series we ever featured

in showcase.

Over the course of six beautifully written sound-rich episodes, Ways of Hearing explores

the act and the art of listening in the digital age. of Hearing

The Book published by MIT Press in May 2019. This book is a beautiful object

unto itself and uses inventive text and design to help convey the information

from the podcast visually, much like the podcast uses sound design to do the same sonically.

The conversation you're about to hear took place in April at the PRX

podcast garage in Alston, Massachusetts. Damon led the conversation with

myself Ian Koss, who co-produced in sound design the podcast, Matt Brown who edited the book, and James Goggin

who designed the book.

One last note, we don't usually feature straight talk on showcase, but couldn't resist sharing

this with you.

It's a lively chat about sound, writing, music, process, and design.

All things held near and dear by Radiotopia showcase, and we suspect many of you are loyal listeners. So here's ways of hearing the

chat about the book about the podcast. Hope you enjoy.

So what we're going to do is we have we're here where the podcast version of

ways of hearing was recorded here in the podcast garage at least the track

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