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Hello and welcome to until Saturday. Our first, I'm kind of sad saying this because our first off-season episode, sort of,

we're here the morning after the National Championship game, still here in person.

I'm your host, David Oven, here with Chris Finini.

Very special guest, Stu Mendel.

Stu, I feel like I haven't had you on the pod enough this year.

We haven't talked to you enough on the pod. We've talked plenty this week, but thanks for coming on. Yeah, absolutely. I just did one podcast at 3.30 in the morning. I'm back at 11 for a second run. Listen, we grind here. We grind here at the athletic. Before we get into today's episode, we're going to look at the top 25 for next season.

Last night. We grind here at the athletic. Before we get into today's episode, we're going to look at the top 25 for next season.

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