The truth of matter was, stories were everything and everything was stories.

Everybody told stories.

It was a way of seeing who they were in the world.

It was their understanding of themselves.

I physically like sailing. I like having a tiller, a steering stick in my hand. I like having feel the wind of the sheets.

And on the big sailboats like the Rainbow Warrior, which is 190 feet, you don't feel those things, but I know what's going on.

And I physically like the sensation.

I like the sound. I like hearing the engine going off.

The ocean is a beautiful place. I remember first showing my daughters the ocean sky, and it's so

much brighter than what you see here on land and the stars and you see the

belt of the milky way coming across and the sunrises and sunsets. I absolutely love being at sea

on a full moon night where you can read a book right on deck from the world simply want peace.

I think when you get to be a leader, your mind gets a little twisted.

You see colors on the map and you want to change it your color.

Having started off in the Civil Rights Movement and saw the effectiveness of nonviolent protest,

I'm a strong believer of it.

Nonviolent direct action means you try to do something to stop something, I suppose, from going on or to illustrate a problem.

Nobody gets touched, nobody gets hurt. You don't do any property damage. You don't scratch the paint.

We do paint vessels. We do put paint on them.

We just write slogans, like stop toxic burning or whatever you want. That seems to be okay.

We're willing to hurt ourselves. We're willing to destroy our own boats. And it's true that if you manage to get you boat crushed between the dock and the ship or something like that or two ships, you get brownie points and a free beer when you get back to Amsterdam.

But we absolutely do not damage anybody else's stuff. That, I think, has saved us on a number of occasions,

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