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Watch an Expert Dismantle RFK Jr.’s Vaccine Myths (w/ Paul Offit)

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

Politics, News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

RFK Jr. is cutting half a billion dollars in mRNA vaccine research and claiming the shots do not work, cause dangerous mutations, and should be replaced with whole virus vaccines. Jonathan Cohn talks with Dr. Paul Offit to sort fact from fiction and nonsense.

Check out more of Dr. Offit’s science insights at Beyond the Noise: https://pauloffit.substack.com/

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0:00.0

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0:24.4

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Secretary of Health and Human Services, announced that at his direction,

0:30.4

the federal government was pulling about half a billion dollars in research funds for the

0:36.0

development of the next MRNA vaccines.

0:40.0

MRNA vaccines, as you may know, that's the type of the medical breakthrough that

0:44.9

led to the COVID vaccines.

0:49.1

Secretary Kennedy said he has decided after he said we reviewed the science, we listened to the experts

0:57.8

and decided that the vaccines were the risks outweighed the benefits and they were not

1:03.0

effective.

1:04.6

I think, you know, his citation of that was important because I think people hear a government

1:08.4

official making these pronouncements, talking,

1:11.0

you know, citing scientists, citing studies, and sounds like they know what they're talking about.

1:15.8

It struck me as a little odd because all the researchers and physicians I know think

1:22.2

MRNA vaccine was a terrific innovation.

1:25.8

They credit it with saving lives. But, you know, I'm not a scientist,

1:29.5

so I thought we should ask somebody who really does know this. And we've got somebody,

1:33.7

I can't think of a better person to address this. Paul Offutt is a professor of pediatrics

1:39.9

at the University of Pennsylvania. He is director of the Center for Vaccine Education at the Children's

1:45.1

Hospital of Philadelphia. And if you don't recognize him by those titles, you will probably

1:53.7

recognize his voice and his face because he is one of the most widely sought after experts on

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