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Hello and welcome back to the Americana show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the

spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the

Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture.

And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. So please keep listening and provide

as much feedback as you like. Hello and welcome back to the Americano show. I am delighted to be

joined today by our favourite guest,

Jacob Halerun, the editor of the national interest and a regular contributor to the spectator.

And we're going to be talking about China, Trump, and more broadly about American foreign policy.

Jacob Trump is now back.

I think he's landed now back from Beijing.

And the overall perception here in Britain anyway

is that the meeting was an opportunity for China to assert itself as an almost equal power

and in some areas a superior power to China, and that China really did that.

Obviously, the White House would push back against that analysis.

But do you think it is fair?

Unfortunately, it is. Trump does have an inherent admiration for foreign dictators because he

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