All right, everybody, it's Friday, which means we'll be diving into episode eight of

convicting a murderer which premiered last night. I am joined today by my friend, Lauren

Chen. She's a fellow true crime junkie to discuss it. Okay, Lauren, I know that you've been

into this series. We started this basically on the fence having watched making a murderer,

but we're very into the story of Stephen Avery thought maybe plausibly he could have not been

guilty or framed. Where are you at now that we are on episode eight? So it's been a journey

because from like you said, the get-go, I was like when I first saw making murder or this guy is

innocent, how could this travesty happen? This is a miscarriage of justice. Years later,

I saw that his ex fiance was kind of speaking out about how he was a creep and abusive and that

may be questioned like, hmm, but he's this is Saint Stephen Avery, how could this be possible?

And seeing the first three episodes, I was very, very eye-opening as to the type of character

that Stephen Avery is, but you know, there are obviously people out there who say, well,

just because he's a creep and maybe molested his niece. I mean, that's a weird thing to

try to manage his daughter. Exactly. But just because he did that, that doesn't mean he's an

actual murder. It's like, okay, but then looking at all of the actual evidence that's been uncovered,

you do get a sense that while the jury who actually made the decision to convict him,

they were just giving a given a lot more information that viewers of the series never had.

And so right now, there's almost this sense of relief because you want to believe that an innocent

person was not rotting lane jail, right? That's a good thing that the justice system is working

as it should. But now the question is for me at least, the people who made this documentary,

did they actually believe he was innocent? Were they just trying to grab headlines and be misleading?

That's what I want to know now. I think their silence is telling, right? People go out to them

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