Well, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day.

And today has Kirstehmann done enough to save his premiership, or are we weeks, days, even hours, could be minutes, away from a leadership contest.

And I'm joined to discuss this and more by Seb Payne. Hello, Seb. Good

morning, Hugo. How are we doing? Doing all right. I think you said, you said good morning with meaning there. More meaning than Kiast Armour's speech, perhaps. Right, okay. Let's, don't offer us spoilers. We'll get to that. And Libby Purvis says, hello Libby. Good morning, going forward. How are you, Levy. Going forward. You're going forward. Right.

Absolutely. It's a word of the day. Forward not Good morning going forward. How are you, Libby? Going forward.

You're going forward. Absolutely. It's a word of the day. Forward not back. That was the slogan. And always twirling, twirling towards freedom. That's the Simpsons, isn't it? It is the Simpsons indeed. Excellent. Excellent. So just to recap here, the Prime Minister has delivered his make or break speech with 40 or so Labour MPs calling him for him to stand down.

He insisted he is the person So just to recap here, the Prime Minister has delivered his make-or-break speech, with 40 or so Labour MPs calling him for him to stand down.

He insisted he is the person to turn things around.

I had my doubters when I took on the Labour Party.

I had my doubts, he said, we couldn't change this party and make it capable of winning an election.

And I proved them wrong.

And when we did that, I had my doubters who said, you can't lead us to a general election victory after the loss in 2019.

It was so bad. It's not possible. And I proved them wrong. I can prove them wrong again.

Sir, did it seem to you like a speech that might change your minds?

Not really. I mean, it's underwhelming has to be the word to describe it, that this was really bigged up over the weekend following Catherine West's bizarre effort to run for the Labour leadership. And this was set... Did you think it was bizarre? Because I thought... I mean, it's clear what she's doing. It is clear what she's doing, but it's bizarre.

The reason I tell you it's bizarre, Hugo, is because she said she's going to do it and then said this morning, she might not do it if the speech was good enough. That is a bit bizarre. And I think having watched that speech, if Miss West decides to not run for the Labour leadership, then that will definitely be in the bizarre bucket. but if she goes for it, then as you say, she becomes the stalking horse.

But going back to the speech for the Labour leadership, then that will definitely be in the bizarre bucket. But if she goes for it, then as you say, she becomes the stalking horse. But going back to the speech for a moment, I mean, you could just compare it to any number of Kirstama speeches over the past two years. It's all exactly the same stuff, as Libby was alluding to. It's got kind of jargonese management speak about going forward in the right direction and all this stuff

and there was nothing substantive to it as well so if you're a wavering labour MP which is the only

audience that really matters at this point you look at that speech and say okay he's going to be

a bit softer on Europe but no actual details and not shifting his red lines um he's going to be a bit more labour, nationalised British

deal, which I think was going to happen anyway. So I don't really see how it shifts the dial.

But I don't think it actively makes it worse, but I think these things pretty much where they were

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