Was Bryan Kohberger's Behavior A Crime At WSU? Ret FBI Robin Dreeke on WSU Law Suit
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
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Summary
Washington State University found itself exactly in that space. Multiple women reported disturbing interactions. Faculty documented repeated issues. A mandatory meeting was held because of one TA. And yet, without a criminal act, the system froze. This is where human behavior, risk-assessment, civil liberties, and collective avoidance all collide.
Robin walks us through the difference between awkward behavior, socially atypical behavior, and genuine threat indicators. We dig into pattern recognition — the difference between one strange moment and a pattern that should raise alarms. We explore why people inside institutions often sense danger before they can justify it, and why ignoring intuition is not only dismissive but dangerous.
Stacy joins with insights from The Gift of Fear, explaining why women’s nervous systems often pick up on danger faster than conscious thought. We examine how that instinct was repeatedly ignored at WSU — and why “he’s never been violent” is not proof of safety but a misunderstanding of how violence escalates.
Finally, we go deep into the civil liberties paradox. How do you assess risk when the person hasn’t done anything illegal? How do you avoid mistaking neurodivergence for danger? And what should real threat-assessment training look like on a modern college campus?
If you want a clearer understanding of what WSU missed — and what every institution should learn from this — this episode is essential.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Bruske, Stacey Cole and Todd Michaels. |
| 0:08.7 | We're digging into the case against Brian, but not just against Brian Kovberger, but now a new case that has erupted out of this, and this is a case of the Gonzalves family, going against |
| 0:23.1 | WSU, where Brian Kovberger was the teaching assistant. And they are arguing and they are saying, |
| 0:30.5 | hey, you know what? There was a lot of warning signs here. Why didn't you act sooner? Why, |
| 0:36.3 | why, why was this guy allowed to basically fester and hang out as long as he did before they finally called it quits with him? |
| 0:46.0 | Robin Drake retired FBI Special Agent, former chief of the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program with us as we are breaking it down. |
| 0:54.0 | Let's talk about the escalation a bit. |
| 0:56.6 | I mean, WSU did have meetings. They had documentation. They had warnings. So they ultimately did |
| 1:01.2 | fire him as a TA. But some of those those documentation, some of those complaints, do we need a system |
| 1:10.5 | that doesn't, that handles certain complaints with more seriousness |
| 1:16.6 | and with a different, I don't know, different perspective, a different level of observation than others? |
| 1:24.8 | Because it seems some of these, especially when you see a pattern of them, |
| 1:29.5 | of the misogynistic behavior, |
| 1:31.7 | of the disrespect towards women, |
| 1:33.3 | of the harsher grading towards women. |
| 1:36.5 | I mean, these number one, |
| 1:38.6 | if you get just one kind of standalone, this is weird, okay, |
| 1:42.2 | well, let's see if this is a pattern. |
| 1:43.7 | Clearly it became a pattern very quickly. When they, when they start identifying patterns like that, |
| 1:49.0 | when an institution starts seeing patterns like this, of behavior in someone that, we know it's just |
| 1:55.7 | broken behavior, it's not going to be changed. This is pathological type behavior. If this is in your mind, |
| 2:01.9 | if you're going to act like this towards women, there's no meeting, there's no video you're |
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