Bester John, as you know, there's an ongoing debate about the

history of Adam. Did Adam really exist or not? And of course, if Adam existed and

if he was created from the dust, there creates all sorts of tensions in this

world. Before we get into the theological implications for pastors and

permissionaries, explain more about why there's so much debate over the

history of Adam. Well, first of all, it is. In fact, ironically, what two days, or

three days before you called, I got a letter from a scholar who has been asked to

write for a new book that's coming out on the four views of the historical

Adam and he just wanted to get my take on the Festival of Implication. So

there's a just off-the-front burner example of now pressing it is, before you

call just on a lark, I called up Wikipedia and typed in humanity or something

like that and here's a sentence, the splitting date between human and chimpanzee

lineages is placed around 4.8 million years ago during the late myocene

epic. Okay, so that state is a pure fact right there in the article on Wikipedia

that number one, human beings are the present, not the final capstone on a

millions or billions of year evolutionary process from inanimate raw matter to

what we have as human beings today and the emergence of what we call human

happened millions of years ago. So there's there's part of the origin before

why it's a debate. When you go to the Bible, the picture you have is of an Adam

and Eve created especially by God. I don't think from preceding forms of human

or of animal life and created a good bit more recently than millions of years

ago, you might stretch the genealogical tables out, you know, 10,000 years if

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