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Wartime science in Ukraine, what Neanderthals really ate, and visiting the city of the dead

Science Magazine Podcast

Science Podcast

News Commentary, News, Science

4.2791 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

First up on the podcast, Contributing Correspondent Richard Stone joins host Sarah Crespi to talk about the toll of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and how researchers have been mobilized to help the war effort. In June, Stone visited the basement labs where Ukrainian students modify off-the-shelf drones for war fighting and the facilities where biomedical researchers develop implants and bandages for wounded soldiers.   Next on the show, the isotopic ratios in our teeth and bones record the chemistry of what we eat. When anthropologists recently applied this technique to Neanderthals, they were surprised to find that when it comes to eating meat, our hominin cousins appeared to be on par with lions. Melanie Beasley, assistant professor of anthropology at Purdue University, has an explanation for why Neanderthals chemically look like hypercarnivores: They were just eating a lot of maggots. She talks about how she tested this idea by studying maggots that were fed putrefying human flesh.   Last up on this episode, a new installment of our series of books on death and science. This month’s books host Angela Saini talks with Ravi Nandan Singh, a sociologist at Shiv Nadar University, about his book Dead in Banaras: An Ethnography of Funeral Travelling.   This week’s episode was produced with help from Podigy.   About the Science Podcast   Authors: Sarah Crespi; Angela Saini; Rich Stone Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is the science podcast for July 31st, 2025. I'm Sarah Crespi.

0:08.0

First up, contributing correspondent Rich Stone joins us to talk about his recent visit to Ukraine,

0:14.0

the toll of the ongoing conflict there, and how researchers have been mobilized to help the war effort.

0:20.3

Next on the show, isotopic ratios in our teeth and bones record the chemistry of what we eat.

0:26.4

When anthropologists apply this technique to Neanderthals, they were surprised to find our hominin cousins

0:31.7

appeared to be as carnivorous as lions.

0:34.7

Researcher, Melanie Beasley, describes why Neanderthals might chemically look like hypercarnobores,

0:40.3

but they were possibly just eating a lot of maggots.

0:44.1

Finally, in a new installment of our series of books on science and death,

0:48.6

this month books host Angela Saini talks with sociologist Ravi Nandan Singh about his book, Dead in Benaris,

0:56.2

an ethnography of funeral traveling.

0:59.1

We have Katribating correspondent Rich Stone here.

1:01.9

He's traveled this summer to Ukraine for a reporting trip.

1:05.6

And actually, this is the third time we've had you on this show to talk about what's going on in Ukraine.

1:10.5

The first time was back in this show to talk about what's going on in Ukraine. The first time was back in

1:11.9

December 2022 to talk about the state of science and how scientists were doing in that country under attack.

1:20.9

And then in January 2024, we talked about the toll on the environment that all of these bombardments,

1:27.0

you know, all this war has

1:28.4

had on Ukraine. You're back. You were there in June 2025. How was Ukraine different on this

1:36.5

visit than those earlier ones? Well, the mood really has changed, Sarah. My first trip was in

1:42.7

October 22, and the Ukrainians had just attacked this bridge

1:48.6

between Crimea, occupied Crimea, and Russia. There was a lot of jubilation, and they had taken back a big

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