He had nothing to do with and had no idea who was involved with Project 2025.

Donald Trump's picks for his new administration, well, they suggest otherwise.

At least six of Trump's nominees or appointees have ties to Project 2025, either as advisors,

authors, contributors, or in promotional videos. Why did they show up?

Well, Katie, I can tell you what the FBI and DHS are saying publicly, and then I'll tell you what

committee sources think is going on. FBI and DHS are saying that the threat picture right now is so

sensitive that they feel they can only talk about the big issues in a closed hearing, in a classified, closed session.

And one of the issues that they don't want to talk about publicly is the fact that China has successfully

hacked a bunch of telecom companies, and they may have gotten access to classified information.

That's very sensitive.

So that's understandable.

But there's nothing that would prevent them from having both an open hearing and a closed hearing.

And what committee sources I talk to are concerned about is they feel like here are two top officials who are not long in their jobs.

Mayorkas, obviously leaving his political appointee.

And Chris Ray, the FBI director, were reporting Donald Trump wants to replace him.

So he may leave as well.

And the feeling is that they decided they didn't want to sit for another grilling on the hill. These hearings

are not pleasant. They get yelled at. They get asked tough questions. Some people view it as a circus.

But it's an important function where taxpayers get to see these top officials answering hard

questions. And sometimes there are good questions, and we learn things.

And so we're not going to have that opportunity.

And it's not clear at all that these open hearings will be rescheduled before these two men leave their jobs, Katie.

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