All right, welcome to the Conversations that Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris, and I am pleased to be joined today with Stephen Wolf I have with me who writes for Sovereign Nations, and actually Stephen Stephen I found out about your material just from Facebook I want to say like a year two years ago something like that somehow we

became friends I don't know how but I appreciated a lot of your articles,

and I think you helped me understand better,

especially two kingdom theology and reform theology

as it pertains to political theory.

So thank you for being on with me. I appreciate it.

Yeah, thank you for having me on. So Stephen the reason I wanted to have you on

specifically other than the fact that you're smart and I think you have a lot to share is you wrote an article recently and I found out about it through cross-politic but it's called the

evangelical reconcilers how evangelicalism reconciles itself

with modern liberalism.

And the title of that just kind of captured me

and I thought, what are you talking about

evangelical reconcilers? And I thought I knew and then I read it and I thought this is a brilliant piece and everyone

needs to understand the argument or the points that you're bringing out here.

I want to start, if I can, by reverse engineering this,

I want to start with the conclusion

and then work backwards.

So, because I think you bring out some of the implications

of why this is important in the conclusion,

but then let's explain who are the reconcilers, why is it important that we understand what they're doing and

the effects that their work can have on Christianity and the political situation in our

country in the Western world.

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