Welcome once again to the conversations that matter podcast. My name is John Harris. I just

recently read this book called the Jazz Age President about Warren Harding. Now I know many of you probably are thinking,

wait a minute, who's Warren Harding?

You know, is he, uh, he was a president, I know that, but what did he do exactly

and you probably don't have any thoughts coming to your mind about what he

accomplished because even in my my general history books that I read growing up it basically

they usually say that he didn't really do anything.

And so there's nothing memorable that many of us have when we think of Warren Harding,

but that couldn't be further from the truth.

And I have with me Ryan S Walters to explain, he's the author of the Jazz Age President, to explain what I find

to be not just the significance, but the admirable qualities that Warren Harding had.

So Ryan, thank you so much for joining me and being willing to discuss this

thank you so much it's good to be back yeah we've we've done that's I think our third

interview if I'm not mistaken second or third and I know we the last one we did was on the Apollo 1 and

and now it's Warren Harding and I've noticed there's a pattern with you with

some of the books that you publish you're not doing the big you're not doing like

Abraham Lincoln's you know 1700th biography you're picking places that haven't really

been focused on so much is there a reason for that?

Yeah yeah well and I did the same thing with Grover Cleveland that's right that's the other one I was thinking of, yep.

Grover Cleveland, yeah, a lot of these guys have been maligned. I call Harding the most maligned president in American history and the reason for that, aside from the fact that he is.

Remember, when you read the stuff historians have said about Harding,

it's pretty terrible.

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