When's this rear?

I can hold it till whenever you want.

So if there's an announcement coming up.

I'll leak you right now.

Please.

I got, we're going to be announcing a real big fish reunion.

That's crazy.

For Long Beach.

I know you worked a lot in the festival circuit, but did you have dreams and goals of having your own?

No, I think, you know, that really started to formulate around 1991 when I was out on the road with

Lollapalooza. I was the first stage manager of that when it was a touring festival. And I started

kind of looking and get, that was my first real exposure to the road and also to all these places

like in between, you know, the traveling and going to St. Louis and going to Minneapolis and these kind of places. And then working in the scene of L.A. where I was working through 120 shows a year, starting to hear this music like, you know, sublime, no doubt, this kind of world I was working in, you know, all the punk bands and everything. And then starting to realize that these bands didn't, and talking, they didn't really have a connection. It was hard for them to tour outside, like, the big cities, you know, and go to Chicago, New York. There was little pockets, but how did, and I was like the skateboard culture that I'm kind of part of, you know, I was doing a lot of big skateboard events. And I was like, you know, and then sitting in the snow in 1995, we were doing board aid.

And it kind of dawned on me, man.

I should probably try to do this ourselves before we are working for someone else because the X games had just been announced.

So the X games, I heard it backstage at board aid, you know.

And one of the bands I worked with on that Lalaplusa was Jane's Addiction.

And I had convinced Perry at that snowboard show. And it was porn for piros at that point. He hadn't done any. And I said, wouldn't it be cool to play Coming Down the Mountain? Like, we're doing a snowboard show. And it was just this intense moment of a board across, snowball fights, people climbing on the stage because he had not done a Jane's Addiction song since he had left. And he played Coming Down the Mountain. And right after that, I was just sitting there going, you know, maybe I should try to do something myself. Maybe I should go out, bring a skateboard ramp, bring some of these bands that are known on the West Coast and some of these pockets, and see if we can tie this all together for kids. How big of a gamble was it for you to bring them around? It was a total gamble. I mean, I mean, it was, I would have been, I was pretty much broke after the first one. You know, it was, it invested my own money. I had a partner, that's when I had gotten CAA as my partner. So they were able to get some guarantees from the promoters, but the guarantees were the promoters were losing

money. We were just struggling down the road. We were, you know, this is a gypsy caravan. There was

no food some days. There was no kids some days, but we just kept setting up. And I think we

exposed ourselves to enough people who realized I wasn't trying to duplicate

what had already been done with Lollapalooza.

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