Hey, everybody. My guest today is Max Blumenthal, who is the editor and chief at the gray zone.

Max Blumenthal is an award-winning journalist. And the author of several books, including

Best Selling Republic in Gomorrah, Goliath, the 51-day war, and the management of savagery.

He's produced print articles for an array of publications, many video reports,

several documentaries, including killing Gaza. Max Blumenthal founded the gray zone in 2015

to shine a journalist applied on America's slate of perpetual war. And it's dangerous,

domestic repercussions. And those are two of the principal preoccupations with this podcast,

the growth of the military industrial complex, the domination of our democracy and subversion,

our democracy by corporate power. And the determinous growth of the emerging

securities, and Max Blumenthal has probably done more to challenge some of the reigning orthodox

aides of Ukraine crisis. And I really want to, I think it's so important now because

there really is a kind of a uniformity on Fox, CNN, all the networks about how to interpret the

events that are happening in the Ukraine. I think it's really important for Americans to explore

other narratives. And I think you've done a better job than probably any journalist in the country

piercing some of the kind of the easy presumptions about Ukraine. But I wanted to start

I asking this question, Max Blumenthal is the son of a close friend of mine, Sydney Blumenthal.

Sydney Blumenthal is a famous American journalist who's written for the Washington Post, for the

Atlantic Monthly, for Vanity Fair, for many, many, many others. He's been an important figure in

American journalism, and particularly kind of a liberal icon. He's worked with a Clinton

global initiative. And I just want to ask you what does your dad think about the kind of journalism

that you're doing, which really challenges some of the key liberal orthodoxies, at least on this

particular project, the Ukraine object? Well, you might be familiar with this, you know,

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