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🗓️ 26 October 2021
⏱️ 54 minutes
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The International Criminal Court prosecutes perpetrators of horrific crimes. But what if the perpetrator is also a victim?
That's the question we explore this week, with the disturbing tale of a child soldier who was kidnapped into a militia, but then rose the ranks to become a senior commander.
After climbing the hierarchy, he began kidnapping more children and killing civilians. So, is he a victim, or is he a perpetrator? And is it possible to be both?
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1:32.0 | For well over a decade, until is arrest in January of 2015, Dominic Anguin was one of the most senior commanders in the Lord's Resistance Army, the LRA. |
1:47.0 | The LRA is an armed group. It came into being in Northern Uganda in the late 1980s. |
1:58.0 | It aimed to overthrow the government of your wary Maseveni, then, as now, the President of Uganda. |
2:07.0 | Dominic Anguin appeared in Trail Chamber 9 in the International Criminal Court in the Hegg Netherlands. |
2:13.0 | Anguin was charged with 70 counts of crimes against humanity and war crimes, which include murder, attempted murder, torture, cruel, and inhuman treatment, pillaging, persecution, enslavement, destruction of property, rape, sexual slavery, forced pregnancy, recruiting children into rebel ranks, and using children to bat his bed. |
2:36.0 | His case is really interesting because it's a victim turned perpetrator. |
2:40.0 | Well, it starts when you're abducted. Some are forced to commit atrocities. |
2:47.0 | The LRA had a tactic of eliminating parents who prevent those who were younger within their forces to return back home, to give them wisdom to share within their rebel forces. |
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