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Wanted by China

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2020

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

One day last month, Samuel Chu woke up to the news that the Chinese government wanted him in jail. Chu doesn’t think he’s in danger -- he’s a U.S. citizen, living in Los Angeles. So how did he wind up on the wrong side of Chinese authorities? Simple: He’s lobbying Congress to support democracy in Hong Kong. 

Guest: Samuel Chu, founder of the Hong Kong Democracy Council. 

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0:00.0

Samuel Chu is used to his phone, going rogue in the middle of the night,

0:09.3

buzzing, beeping, demanding his attention. He's an advocate for democracy in Hong Kong,

0:15.2

but he lives here in the U.S. That 15-hour time difference, it means that when news breaks back in China, he's usually fast asleep.

0:24.3

So when his phone started going off a couple weeks ago, he mostly just tried to ignore it.

0:29.7

But when I finally was bothered enough to actually pick up my phone to read,

0:36.4

I realized that this is breaking news, just a different kind of

0:39.9

breaking news, because it was my name that was appearing on the breaking news.

0:49.5

The breaking news? It was that the Chinese government had issued a warrant for Samuel's arrest.

0:55.9

The first two people that I actually picked up was one, just happened to be a reporter from Hong Kong,

1:03.5

actually, in Hong Kong, who called me, who, you know, who I actually know.

1:08.3

And she was like, well, I just want to check to see if you're okay.

1:11.4

And if you have a statement, and I would say, I literally, you're the first person I've spoken

1:15.6

to you since I found, I mean, I'm still in bed.

1:20.3

It really didn't hit me until I think like a few minutes after that, okay, like, this is about me specifically.

1:30.2

Samuel is an American citizen, but his organization, the Hong Kong Democracy Council,

1:35.6

it advocates for Hong Kong's protesters in Washington.

1:39.5

The warrant for Samuel's arrest was issued under Hong Kong's new security law.

1:46.0

That law includes these provisions that it applies to foreign nationals, even if they're on foreign soil. In fact, I was talking to

1:53.3

someone just the first few weeks after the national security law that they were joking that they

1:58.1

kind of wrote this law for you, Samuel. What did they mean by that?

2:02.1

That they, I think, read some of those provisions as almost targeting people and organization like mine.

2:12.0

Samuel is quick to note. He is totally safe. He hasn't even seen any documentary evidence of charges being filed against him.

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