I think often when we talk about not just people pleasing but also saying no, we imagine that it's

only about things that are horrible, you know, that we don't want to do, maybe somebody is imposing

upon us. We also think it's often about telling others what to do, but sometimes actually we need

to say no to ourselves. And sometimes even though technically we could do it and even technically we

might want to do it, it might not be the best thing for us.

Natalie, I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for having me, Laurie. You guys, Natalie is like the ultimate trooper. What time is it there?

Where are you? I am in Safi's London at it is 10.36 pm.

So you I don't want to hear anything from anyone about how building a business is hard. I'm just

kidding. No, she, these are the things you have to do sometimes. Record podcasts at 10.30

align schedules like this. Oh my gosh, I'm so grateful. Being able to sit here and feel so good

in saying no has been such a freaking journey that I'm so excited to talk to you about.

Because I think a lot of people listening right now, especially if they're in the beginning or

maybe they're starting something new, the amount of things in the beginning that you have to say no

to. It's like the nose are a lot more towards the beginning of the journey because it's like you've

been saying yes to so many things. So if someone's waking up right now in a life where they're like,

oh my god, I just realized I created this whole life that I don't love by saying yes.

What are some of the places that we start with to start creating a little room for ourselves

because like you, I really do believe it's kind of a life or death and death meaning as serious as

death or death, just meaning you'll never meet yourself. You'll never know what it actually means.

Wow. Wow, that is powerful. Yeah, you know, the first step I say in

breaking the cycle of people pleasing is getting to know your pleaser. And that is because your people

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