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Hey Shortwaavers, Regina Barbara here with a very special guest, Kayley Wells.

Hey Kayley, hey!

Hey!

So Kayley, you host the Anti-Dread climate podcast from one of our NPR member

stations in LA KCRW and you do that along with Candice Dickens Russell.

Yeah, and the idea for the show came from the sort of growing problem that we're seeing, which is that the climate crisis is getting scary every year, and we climate journalists are like, hey, look at how scary this is.

And then the news consumers go, oh God, and to preserve their sanity, they just bury their heads in the sand because their quota for consuming doom is just all used up.

This is totally speaking to my soul. I mean, it can be totally paralyzing for me and other people to just like even think about climate change.

I know which is why we call it climate anxiety because the fear really does feel paralyzing

but you know frequently what do you do with an anxious person well you give them something they can

control so with our listeners who are anxious about this existential threat we're trying to answer their

questions about how they can help the planet like what is in their control that actually makes a difference

that sounds amazing I need that you've even done a whole episode about how to be

greener for the holidays without being a Grinch I see what you did there with that

title oh hey thanks thanks. Thanks for notison.

I mean, you know, I don't know about you, but it feels like every year I plan, like, okay, December's here, I'm

going to be so good to the planet during this big holiday season.

I mean I wish I was as good as you.

I do not.

Except I'm not better than you because then December actually does come around and I fall

right back into the consumer nature that we all do.

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