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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Walter Kirn On The Midwest, Walz, Trump

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2024

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Walter is a novelist, literary critic, and journalist. He’s written eight books, most famously Up in the Air, which became a film starring George Clooney. He’s now the editor-at-large for County Highway and co-hosts a weekly podcast with Matt Taibbi, “America This Week.” Way back in the day, I edited his work for The New Republic, and he guest-blogged for the Dish.

For two clips of our convo — on Tim Walz as a “white minstrel” of a Midwesterner, and Walter watching speeches by Obama and Trump on LSD — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: Walter’s upbringing in rural Minnesota — “a Huckleberry Finn life”; the colorful characters of his small town; the humanist rear-admiral and feminist librarian who mentored him; learning horses from the Amish; his father the “short-haired hippie”; transferring to Princeton — “the coldest bath of my life”; the snobbery of his rich roommates; wanting to be a poet; his scholarship to Oxford; the anti-Americanism there; Shakespeare; drinking culture in London; working as a private eye; teaching immigrants to read in NYC; working at Vanity Fair with Tina Brown and the “Eurotrash elite”; The Great Gatsby; Gore Vidal on homosexuality; the overblown fear of militias in ‘90s America; the Matthew Shepard myths; the history of progressive populism in the Midwest; Gus Hall and Eugene McCarthy; towns decimated by NAFTA; Trump turning on Iraq War; the Pentagon Papers; Harris’ interview on 60 Minutes; her passing on Josh Shapiro; the phoniness of Walz; his fascination with China; disinformation and free speech; the Twitter Files; demonizing rural people during Covid; the “information engineering” in the pandemic; Jay Bhattacharya’s dissent; sex changes for minors; Helene and FEMA; immigration in small towns; Mickey Kaus; how the elite loathe Vance; Stop the Steal; and Walter living in Montana.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Tina Brown on her new substack, Musa al-Gharbi on wokeness, Sam Harris for our quadrennial chat before Election Day, and Damon Linker on the election results. Wait, there’s more: Peggy Noonan on America, Anderson Cooper on grief, Christine Rosen on humanness in a digital world, Mary Matalin on anything but politics, and John Gray on, well, everything.

Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hi there.

0:29.0

Welcome to another discast in the middle of this crazy campaign,

0:33.4

which to my mind is kind of boring as well as terrifying.

0:38.2

It's a very strange thing reminds me of skiing, actually.

0:42.4

And we have a great lineup coming up for you.

0:46.4

We have Musa Al Garby who's coming on to talk about workness

0:50.4

and how you signal to the world that you're a member of the right elite.

0:56.7

We have Tina Brown is coming on.

0:58.7

She's going on to Substack.

1:01.3

Believe it or not, the great Dwighten of old school magazines is now going to come

1:06.2

with Substack and we're going to talk about it.

1:08.3

Sam Harris is coming on.

1:10.2

We do our quadrennial, who the fuck are we going to talk about it. Sam Harris is coming on. We do our quadrenial,

1:12.7

who are we going to, who the fuck are we going to vote for conversation and how?

1:17.4

You have Damon Linker coming on. We'll talk after the, just after the election. Peggy Noonan,

1:23.0

Addison Cooper, Christine Rosen, Mary Madeline, and John Gray, the great philosopher John Gray, is also

1:28.7

coming on. So a pretty fucking stellar list, I have to say. I'm really excited to have them

1:33.1

all on, and it seems like we're definitely on a role here at the discast. But today, I'm inviting

1:39.5

an old friend, old colleague, I guess, a kind of colleague. We worked together a little bit in the past.

1:46.4

Walter Kern.

1:48.0

Walter is a novelist, literary critic, essayist, reporter, writer, general public intellectual.

1:59.5

He's written eight books, most famously up in the air,

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