Music Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. This is going to be an off the rails episode. I have been working for months to get our guests on and I'm so excited he finally accepted our invitation. Walter Kern is here. He is the editor at large at County Highway. He co-hosts America's week. America this week, excuse me, with Matt Taiby, it's a great podcast. Author of many books. Walter, I love. You can follow him and Walter Kern on Twitter. I love your Twitter feed because you and another person in this vein is Tom Boulieu. You see the world very differently than me, but you are such an unorthodox thinker that when you say things, I stop and I'm like, okay, maybe this guy's seeing something I don't. And we can go so many ways with this. I want to talk to you special about AI because I think you and I were sharing very enormous concerns about where this is going. But I also, I was talking to our common friend Tracy, I wanted to hear your thoughts on the whole Luigi Mangioan thing because I think you really had to take on it which just knocked my socks off. Well, it's very simple. It's a mini series. And it was constructed as one from the very first shot. In other words, not the shot of it came from his ghost gun into that poor man who was killed if indeed Luigi fired that gun because it let's remember we only saw a hooded figure and when you only see a hooded figure, you've got a mystery and when you only see a hooded figure who's being shot from their point of view on a surveillance camera and a victim who's off in the distance faceless and thus not warranting sympathy. In other words when you've got a first person shooter grabbing the audience's attention where the first mystery is why is he having such trouble racking his gun? Is he a professional or is he an amateur? Then you've got first minute of a pilot. And I waited to say that to the world until I was sure I was watching a pilot. But I knew I was when the hood came slightly off while he was chatting with a young woman who was apparently smitten with him in a hostel. And then we saw a little bit of the face and we compared the eyebrows. Then on social media we We got the root of his New York City rental electric bike and everyone could follow along on X Instagram and you know, take time. As a thing, as a thing rolled out, I said in the same way that Christians look at a sunset and they say anything that beautiful must have a creator. I look at something that is so absolutely like I would make it in a novel or a TV series or the first 10 minutes of film script and go this thing has an author. I don't know who it is. I don't know if it's a museum itself but but when he then dressed like Lee Harvey Oswald for his per-perf walk, and I'm not sure you have a rack of clothes and jail that you can choose from, and when he had a manifesto like the Unibomber, the other hooded figure from whose, you know, famous for his, his, his, police sketch wearing a hood. And when everything lined up to basically create this almost AI merged killer who is also of course the author of his own manifesto on the bullets, which we're all found. And I thought we are watching the creation of a Robin Hood slash Charles Manson slash Paul McCartney, Beatle Mania style killer. And it's happening right after the election. It's happening just as the left is incredibly demoralized and has made some decision that it needs to go even further to the left. And when America needed a hero, it found one. And then I think the P.H. to resistance was when I found out that there was a seven-month period in his life. When he went to Hawaii and was out of touch with the rest of society, anything could have happened there. Apparently he had a bad back and you went to recuperate or something. That's what writers do when they want a space later in the series to fill in and create further story. They put a bracket around a hole in the characters' biography, which they can use at will. So as I say, I don't know who the author is, but I know there is one. And I could also predict that the thing was optimized for social media. It had all these, you know, choose your own adventure, solve your own mystery elements. And I gave a speech to a think tank actually just after it had happened. And I said, you think this is just some picturesque crime? No, it's going to eat your world. And the abs shots hadn't even come up. You know, the rock hard abs. he wasn't even yet the dream boat that they've made him. But the worst moment and the whole thing was when on some cable news show, they had a reporter stationed outside of prison in Pennsylvania that he was entering for the first time. And the guy with his mic was saying, you can hear the cheers of the prisoners. If you're very quiet, as Louisiana enters the prison, and I just think, do they have to push it this hard? I mean, this thing has already jumped three sharks and it's only in act one. And I knew that act two was coming, which of course is the trial, which America had better, you know, buy Christmas to watch, because there's going to be picture-in-picture analysis from 40 different commentators. It will be the OJ trial optimized for the Nvidia chip. Whatever we're watching, we're not watching something that it is happening by itself. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it's kind of like a boy band, Che Guevara. He is totally boy boy. I call him a Tiger Beat Revolutionary. Remember Tiger Beat Magazine? Girls would take the cover and put it on the ceiling of their bedroom because girls don't touch themselves. I mean,

this guy has already inspired more erotic dreams than any killer in history and he has been been on trial yet. What's really funny is I think our culture is at least bifurcating and when you talk talk to... We can only hope that it's that simple, dude. Right, right. But by point being, if you talk to people who are blue-pilled in this vein, their eyes just glaze over. And it's just like, they've been trained that, okay, this is just what you're saying is an absurdity. Vaccine eyes. Yeah, that's right. You know, that's true. I mean, we're having a communication problem between bubbles. They don't communicate. And I hope that it's just a bifurcation and not a hamburgerization in which every piece of society and every group larger than Ken has been cut off from it's one another making us so much easier to rule. We won't even under, you know, it'll be the Tower of Babel, which was cursed in this fashion. No one who worked on it was suddenly able to understand each other. when everybody has their own sex spot and their own, you know, customized 3D, virtual porn and so on, they'll be living in cells, basically. You know, the whole idea of imprisonment is to put you in a bunch of cells so you can't gang up. That's the whole idea of society now too. I mean, you really hit the nail on the head right before we were recording. I tweeted out that as the algorithm's increasingly tailored content to each individual, they're going to be, they're going to really have this kind of reality check when it goes out so they got side and that reality check is not going to be a positive response. Like right now people are upset that my tweets are your tweets or whatever is on their screen isn't there to tailor to their personal preferences. Like they genuinely believe this. Well exactly. But here's the problem. People think they are individuals and that's the joke. They think they can program their own reality but they don't realize that they had to have one in the first place. And after they've been programming it for a while, what they won't realize is that the thing is telling them what to do. That's right. I mean, we live in a world where people are asking GROC to interpret tweets. I even saw this ridiculous statement made about AI. Why would you read in whole novel or whole book when

you can know when you can have AI read it for you and some and I was like why go to a concert when you can have AI tell you what happened. I mean I had an argument with someone on Twitter when We had both misheard the lyrics to Toto Song Africa.

And I said, his is better.

And... I had an argument with someone on Twitter when we had both misheard the lyrics to Toto Song Africa and I said his is better and and he asked Grock which was better and it's like you're asking a robot which in song and lyric interpretation is better and Grock sided with me but it's just like what you're completely outsourcing anything human and this is happening right now and no one else seems else seems to be panicking about it like I am, or the you. In 2001, I published a novel called Up in the Air, and they made a movie of it, but the movie soft pedals, the existential terror that I tried to channel in the book. And it's about a guy whose biggest goal is to get 10 million frequent firemiles. And we didn't have the iPhone yet, but I invented a phone for him called the HandStar personal assistant. Very much like the iPhone would be. And at the end of the book he has no one to boast that he got to 10 million miles. So he calls his own voicemail on the phone and says, we made it, we did it. And that's the future. You will be... No, that's the president. Well, that's the president. You will be all alone with your AI, wanting to program your own personal, you know, boyfriend or girlfriend. And you'll ask AI, first I need to know who am I? Tell me who I am. You have all my data. I don't. Tell me who I am. Tell me what I should want. That's the point at which we disappear truly up our own back sides because to form selves you need experiences and the experiences can't be dictated by you. They have to come from the outside. They have to come from a menu that you choose from. When you create the menu, then you are eating your own flesh and drinking your own urine. I was on gut felt not that long ago and he they were kind of having this fun little segment about chat GBT's now going to allow erotic and the point the point I made is guys not that long ago John Hinckley shot President Reagan because he thought he would impress Jody Foster and in doing so you know turning her way from men forever but point point being, what happens when your chat GPT girlfriend

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