How would you handle it if you had to leave a lovely home and live in a place with rats in the kitchen?

Here's what Kimberly Wagner discovered when she faced that situation.

In that kitchen, that kitchen became the place where I met with God, where in the morning the father would meet with me.

And he taught me so much in that kitchen. That kitchen

became like a palace to me. This is the Reviver Hearts podcast with Nancy DeMoss-Walgamuth,

author of You Could Trust God to Write Your Story. For August 21st, 2025, I'm Dana Gresh.

Have you ever been in a situation where you just felt like you were in over your head,

like you just couldn't do what you were being asked to do.

That was Kim Wagner when she moved into what she calls the flea house.

She's reflecting with Nancy on our current series walking through life's deserts.

Maria Johnson is also in on the conversation as well as Holly Ellif.

We've all been through various types of deserts.

They're all probably a little different, but I know everybody in this room well enough to know

we've all been through some things that would qualify as desert experiences.

And I think the deserts change with your seasons of life a lot of times because of just what you're going through.

It will be a different type of desert for a widow than it is for a teenage daughter.

I know the very first time I met Kim, she was in the middle of a desert at that point.

Yes.

And we just happened to sit down together at

lunch. And she started telling me about her life. And I can remember sitting there thinking,

oh, my goodness. The more she told me, the more I thought, Lord, thank you, thank you,

that this is her life and not mine. I think that's when we were living in what the children and I called the flea house.

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