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What up everybody! Welcome to the Michael Steel Podcast. It is always a great pleasure to be in space with you as you sit by the pool, contemplating the children that are running around your feet and the drink you have in your hand.

Or maybe you're just sitting in your house, cuddled up in a corner somewhere.

Whatever, coronavirus is here, we're working it, we're making it work, we're going to get through this and to help us get through it, I'm excited about our guest today.

I watched this brother on MSNBC where he appears often as an analyst and guest on a number of shows. You see him a lot on Joy Rees show, for example.

I think we actually may have been on together once or twice in the past year, not as often as you know they get two of us in a room, it could be.

Hello, firecracker out there. But Ellie Mistal is the nation's justice correspondent covering the courts, the criminal justice system and politics.

And the force behind the magazine's monthly column objection, he's also an Alfred Nobleer fellow at the type media center.

And Ellie is a graduate of Harvard College in Harvard Law School. I went to Hopkins, so I know I'm good.

A former associate of Debra Voice and Plimpt, oh you were Debra Voice!

Yeah, I was at Cleary Gottlieb. Yeah, prior to joining the nation, Mr. Mistal was the executive editor of above the law.

He's a frequent guest, as I said on MSNBC where we get to hang out every once in a while and serious XM. Welcome to the podcast, bro.

Thank you so much for having me. I am not by a pool. I am, I have banished my two small children upstairs with their new nanny, the iPad.

iPad, there you go. Yes, yeah, we, you know, we call her Saint iPad in this house, because it's a, I tell you, it is a nice place to retreat to.

So let me just, let me just set this up this way before we get into stuff. I, I love the energy you bring to every conversation you engage in.

When you are asked a question, I just start to count down three, two, one, and you're off. He is, he's, you're not going to cut a corner, you're not going to shave the edge, you're going to bring it straight.

And in these times that we're in right now, it is really refreshing to hear someone irrespective of partisan perspective or politics to just say, y'all, you got to get a grip around this issue, you got to understand what's going on.

How, how frustrating has it been to, to, to bring that into a conversation when you feel sometimes people just start listening.

You know, I watch these press presses with the president. And, and I watch these doctors, the scientist and professional standing behind him, looking at the floor, rolling their eyes, hiding in the corner.

And they can't, they can't do what you do in, to say, look bro, you're full of shit. Stop it. Or, you know, just stand in and be quiet. How do you, how do you manage that when you're talking to people and trying to get them to understand this is what's happening.

Well, I have two answers for that. What, what is that we live in a kind of, you can't handle the truth world, right? Right.

We live in a world where it is for various reasons, kind of difficult for people to both say and absorb truths that are challenging to their world views, are challenging to, to how they perceive things.

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