Walking in Wonder (ft. Virginia Aabram)

First Things Podcast

First Things

Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 699 Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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In this episode, Virginia Aabram and Elizabeth Bachmann join Rusty Reno on The Editor’s Desk to talk about Virginia's recent essay, “The Road to Chartres,” from the October 2025 issue of the magazine.

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0:30.3	Hello, welcome to the editor's desk.
0:32.7	This is the podcast where we take a closer look at the essays and articles in the latest print issue of First Things Magazine.
0:39.3	I'm Rusty Reno, I'm the editor of First Things Magazine, and I'm here with you today at the editor's desk.
0:46.3	Well, I'm delighted to welcome to the podcast, one of my colleagues, Virginia Abram, and a former colleague, Elizabeth Bachman.
0:56.8	Welcome to the podcast.
0:58.2	Thank you for having us.
0:59.1	And we're going to talk about Virginia's piece in the November issue, reflections from Schart, and it's about a pilgrimage.
1:10.6	Yes? That's correct. Yes. And, Elizabeth, you went on this pilgrimage. Right. from Shart, and it's about a pilgrimage, yes?
1:11.4	That's correct, yes.
1:12.7	Elizabeth, you went on this pilgrimage.
1:14.6	Right.
1:15.7	So tell us what, like, what is this, where to start, where did it go, and why are you
1:23.4	pilgrimit, pilgrimat, pilgrimage guiding, whatever right word is, to make a verb out of it.
1:29.9	So this is a pilgrimage that goes from Paris, France, 60 miles southwest to Sharche Cathedral.
1:38.0	It's been going on for many, many years.
1:42.0	A version of this pilgrimage has existed for as long as there have been
1:46.4	pilgrimages, you know, over a thousand years. But this iteration of the pilgrimage really got
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