Hi there, you're listening to a bike size episode of High Performance. Look, we know that you can't always spare

60 or 90 minutes or sometimes even two hours to sit and listen to the enlightening in-depth,

but long conversations that we have on this podcast. And so if that's you, then this is the

episode for you. Every single Friday, we share some learnings from a guest who's joined us previously

on High Performance. We share it, and then I'll talk about it at the back end. So let's get straight

to it then. This is when we were joined by football referee Anthony Taylor, who gave us the kind

of insight that we don't normally get into the world of the referee, and I think the most important

thing for us all to do in an episode like this is to suspend our opinion and put empathy at the

centre of our thoughts. Here's a small taste of when Anthony Taylor joined us on High Performance.

You make an incorrect decision on the field because you're you position this wrong, right?

That your angle and your views not as good as it could be. So there's a really good example from a

few years ago at Swansea where I gave a penalty for Hamburg, and it was actually Hamburg by the attacker,

but because in that particular moment, I lost concentration, I was lazy. I've got totally the wrong

position. The angle that you're looking at is it just makes it look like the defender Hamburg.

Now people listening to that will go, well that's just a ridiculous way of explaining it and how can

you not say that the Hamburg is by the attacker? Well my challenge to anybody who thinks that is

to truly understand the process you've got to go through, give it a go because it would even happen

in junior football. You will sometimes totally misjudge something in a split second. And so that

that example at Swansea was down to laziness and poor positioning, pure and simple.

And how does the scrutiny process work after the game? Because I think this is

something that also leads towards the resilience you have to have to do your job. I mean you literally

have someone give you a mark, right, and tell you how well you've done on that day. We have two

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