And So, All right.

All right, I'm here with Wayne. How you doing? And very good, how are you?

Very good. Yeah, I'm all right. I decided to watch both World Cup court finals yesterday in the pub from 7 a.m. My time.

Why's? And didn't leave the pub until half past five in the evening. So if I'm sounding a little croaky it's because there were many pints of

IPA downed I think probably similar to you I'm not like a mad England fan or anything like that but

tournament football kind of grabs you doesn't it and so I go into England this

tournament so it was a bit disappointing yesterday especially actually because in my

40 odd years of life, England normally knocked out

tournaments after being outclassed and yesterday they were the better team I think.

Yeah, well yeah we definitely got a shared experience with that. It's growing up with all the

United players being booed and jeered and stuff like that was real uncomfortable for a long time.

And then there was all the sort of like internal rivalry

that you'd hear about.

And it usually came about from the other players of other clubs.

They talked about all we wouldn't pass to them in training or we'd look across them in the

dressing room. Now I'm not saying that United Players didn't engage in that kind of behavior as well but you never heard it from the United

players. They definitely were cliques during the golden generation time.

And that always sat uncomfortably with me.

And maybe United players were just as bad because they had to sort of engage in that tribe.

Maybe that's what helps united in a certain way have this sort of

tribal rivalry with the other clubs and the other teams because it was united above

everything else but and he's less England because the sort of gammon-esque sort of stuff

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