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The Glenn Show

Wai Wah Chin — The NYC Exam School Controversy

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2021

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

In this week’s TGS, we’re talking about an issue that seems local but has big national implications. Wai Wah Chin is the Charter President of the Chinese American Citizens Alliance of Greater New York, and she joins me to discuss an ongoing controversy in New York City’s exam schools. These schools are rigorous public high schools that focus on STEM subjects, and admission is determined by student performance on a single exam. If you can excel on one test, you can get access to a free first-rate education, regardless of income, race, zip code, or even past academic performance. This is especially important in a city where top private schools often charge tens of thousands of dollars in tuition.

Historically, exam schools have been a triumph of colorblind meritocracy. They’ve brought untold numbers of talented but under-resourced students to the attention of top universities. But, as Wai Wah explains, the exam school system is currently under threat from advocates who regard the high numbers of Asian American students (over 50% in some cases) at these schools as evidence of de facto segregation that excludes blacks. Wai Wah explains why proposed changes to the exam school admissions system discriminate against Asians, and why parallel attempts to eliminate the Gifted and Talented Program for New York students will only exacerbate racial disparities in the education system. Finally, Wai Wah connects discrimination against Asians in education to the disturbing increase in violence against Asians across the country.

Wai Wah is a passionate advocate for her cause. I can tell you this is not the last time I’ll be discussing these crucial matters on TGS.

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0:00 What are NYC exam schools?

5:25 The recent attempt to change exam school admissions

11:50 Wai Wah: Changes to exam schools will discriminate against Asian students

17:40 Wai Wah's attempts to expand the Gifted and Talented Program

27:26 Are exam schools "segregated"?

39:29 Eric Adams's support for increasing the number of exam schools

42:00 Wai Wah: Asians are being scapegoated

Links and Readings

The Chinese American Citizens Alliance of Greater New York

Dream Factories, a mini-doc about NYC exam schools



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, this is Glenn Lowry of The Glenn Show, formerly at bloggingheads.tv and now at my own

0:05.5

YouTube channel, Glenn Lowry's show at YouTube and also at my substack newsletter,

0:11.6

GlennLowry.substack.com. And I am with, I am with Wayne Watchin, who is charter president of the Chinese

0:22.3

American Citizens Alliance of Greater New York, and an activist working in the education space

0:29.1

amongst other things in the New York City and beyond. So I'm happy to welcome you,

0:35.8

Wayne Watchin, to our, to our podcast here. Thank you for giving us some time.

0:41.0

Thank you, Glenn, so much for inviting me.

0:45.2

You're welcome. Now, we have actually collaborated on something. I should mention this,

0:49.2

right at the outset, the Pacific Legal Foundation produced and

0:54.4

Rob Montz, the filmmaker, oversaw the production of

0:59.6

Drain Factories. I believe is what the documentary is called, which is a investigation of the

1:07.3

controversy in New York City about the specialized exam admissions high schools of Bronx High School

1:14.0

Science, Stivocent, and Brooklyn Tech, in which you, that controversy, had been very actively

1:21.2

involved. Maybe we could start by you telling us a little bit about the controversy and about your

1:26.9

role in it and where things are standing now on that set of issues in New York City.

1:33.6

Thank you, Glenn. It was great to be with you and Drain Factories. We, of course, didn't meet at

1:38.1

that time because that the shooting of the film happens quite separately in different pieces,

1:44.4

but I think it captured a lot of the emotions of a very important topic. The important topic is

1:52.3

real about excellence in our schools, meritocracy, and also the anti-Asian discrimination that's

1:58.8

happening in the schools here in New York as well as in many other areas in education across this

2:06.0

country. The specialized high schools in New York, there are three, as you name them, the most

2:12.9

famous and the oldest ones, the oldest one being Stivocent, and Brooklyn Tech, and Bronx Science.

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