Welcome back to another Wagner group focused bonus episode of Pots 5th World. I'm Tommy

Bittor.

I'm Ben Rhodes.

Wow, Ben. Quite a day today. A lot of news going on. We've got a Republican debate tonight

and reports that you have Gennie Pregozion is dead and gets all that in a minute, but

we should, you know, quite a, quite a day.

E2 will not be at the debate.

Maybe it'll be a plane. He's playing hoops with Doug Burgham.

Okay, so we're obviously, we are recording this at 4 p.m. on Wednesday afternoon. We want

to do something quickly to tell you guys what we know, which are, here are the facts

so far. So there was a plane crash in Russia. 10 people are dead and according to Russian

state news agencies, the passenger list included Gennie Pregozion and Dimitri Utkin, who

are the leaders of the Wagner group, the private Russian mercenary force. We've talked about

many times in this show. We're learning about all this in real time. We're relying on sources

like Russian state media, telegram channels that are linked to Wagner group forces. So

assume this story is going to evolve over time. Assume that at least some of these

earlier reports are wrong. But what's been reported so far is that the jet was carrying

10 people, three crew members, seven passengers. All of them are dead. The Russian Ministry

of Emergency Services said it was a private plane flying from Moscow to St. Petersburg in

the plane. The specific plane is one that Pregozion has been linked to in the past.

A Wagner linked telegram channel called Greyzone reported that the jet was shot down by air defenses.

There's some witnesses who said they heard two loud bangs before the plane started going down.

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