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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of

the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C. and from other, undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to the Friday discussion here at DSR when we talk about the intersection of technology and security. Sometimes we call it we are

all going to die radio. Usually I am joined for this summit by John Wolfstall, my

co-host, but John is on assignment and away, so I am going to be joined by two

other great guests. One of course our old friend David Sanger, who's White House and National

Security correspondent for the New York Times. How are you doing, David? Very good.

Excellent. And someone new to our podcast, Karen Howe, who's an award-winning journalist

covering artificial intelligence currently contributing to the Atlantic Welcome Karen.

Thank you so much for having me. So let me start with what we thought would be

the initial subject of this.

For a few weeks, we've been talking on our various podcasts about the upcoming executive

order from the White House on AI. David, you and I talked about it offline even, and lo and

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