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Lost Debate

Wacky Economy, Epstein Fallout, Our Elders

Lost Debate

The Branch

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.6607 Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Ravi Gupta examines new data challenging the idea of a strong economic recovery and connects the week’s biggest political and cultural stories—from deficits, tariffs, and the Epstein revelations to immigration, schools, and AI—before asking a deeper question: what holds a society together when trust in institutions fades? In conversation with former Obama White House lawyer Jason Green, the focus turns to memory, community, and preserving elders’ stories, suggesting that rebuilding meaning may begin with humility, listening, and the people closest to home. Jason Green’s Too Precious to Lose  ––––– Leave us a voicemail with your thoughts on the show! 201-305-0084⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Ravi at @RaviMGupta Notes from this episode are also available on Substack: https://thelostdebate.substack.com/ Read more from Ravi on Substack: https://realravigupta.substack.com  Follow The Branch at @thebranchmedia Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lost-debate/id1591300785 Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7xR9pch9DrQDiZfGB5oF0F Listen to Where the Schools Went: https://thebranchmedia.org/show/where-the-schools-went/

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0:00.0

Welcome to The Lost Debate Show for Politically Ecclectics. I'm Robbie Gupta. In a bit, we're going to hear from my friend Jason Green, who is a former lawyer at the Obama White House and campaign official for Obama, who went on to found a company. He's an amazing guy, and he wrote a book called Too Precious to Luce, which is all about this wonderful community. He came from in Maryland. So you're going to hear from him in a second.

0:21.9

But before that, let me empty my notebook.

0:23.7

And right before I sat down to record this, I'm recording this in the morning on Wednesday, February 11th.

0:28.9

We just got some really interesting jobs numbers.

0:30.9

So let's start there.

0:32.2

In January, we added 130,000 jobs, which beat the expectations, 55,000, so more than twice the expectations,

0:41.8

and unemployment went down to 4.3%. So on the surface, this was a solid report, and actually

0:46.2

the market bounced on that right away. But the real story is the annual revisions.

0:52.0

BLS revised away 911,000 jobs from the 12-month period ending March 2025.

0:58.0

What was reported previously was around 200,000 jobs added a month, and it was actually 120,000 added.

1:05.0

And so that revision came in.

1:07.0

So the full year 2025 job growth was revised from 484,000 in growth for the full year 2025 to 181,000.

1:18.9

So 484,000 to 181,000.

1:21.7

That's the weakest year for job creation since 2003 outside of a recession.

1:26.9

The Fed Governor Waller said beforehand that virtually no growth

1:30.1

in payroll employment happened to 2025. So the soft landing narrative of 2025 was built on the wrong

1:36.8

numbers and the Fed set interest rate policy markets, priced and resilience in the White

1:41.9

House took a victory lapse, all based on data that was off by about two-thirds.

1:47.8

Why do these revisions happen?

1:49.4

Well, the Bureau of Labor Statistics uses a monthly survey of around 119,000 businesses.

1:54.7

And once a year, they check against actual quarterly tax records because businesses have to report quarterly. And the gap

2:03.4

between what the surveys say and the actual records of employment is what leads to these

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