Hey, this is Sanfragosa.

I host a podcast called Talk Easy, where every week I have intimate conversations with

artists, activists, and politicians.

It's a different kind of interview show than you probably heard before, where we explore

questions big and small, dialogues driven by compassion.

Recently I sat with Stacey Abrams, Margaret Atwood, K. Plantjette, Questlove, and David

Byrne. This week we're popping into your politically reactive feed to share something special.

It's a conversation I had with Kamal a few weeks ago about his four-part docuseries We

Need to Talk About Cosby. We discuss Kamal's initial reluctance to talk about Bill Cosby,

whose legacy became something he decided to publicly grapple with. You'll hear about

Kamal's unique approach to the series, The Essential Women Who Help Created, and a formative

moment on United Shades of America that transformed the way he tells painful stories.

Plus, we sit with how this project around Bill Cosby has permanently altered Kamal's

course. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did making it. He has been on my show

many, many times. If you liked this episode and want to hear more like it, you can find

Talk Easy with Sanfragosa, wherever you do your podcasting.

Thanks for being here.

W Kamal Bell, welcome back. This is your fifth time on the show.

This is my fifth time? Your fifth. Wow. I'm glad you're back. I want to begin in 2012.

You have a show on FX, Executive Produced by Chris Rock. It's called Totally Bias with

W Kamal Bell. As the program gets picked up, the press starts doing interviews with you.

One question they repeatedly ask is, who were your favorite stand-up comics when you were

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