Yo, Parrish Orphinsson RetroGrates. I'm joined by my friend Dr. Edmund Mazza today to discuss

Francis's ex-ante doppelganger, Cardinal Martini, the man who would be Pope, the man who is supposed to be Pope.

As a matter of fact, Dr. Mazza, if not for one word, one single word, we would have a martini pontificate, a shrewder, craftier, more

charismatic man doing the exact same things Francis is chosen to do.

Francis is actually a fill-in for martini, if not for this one word.

And that one word is Parkinson's.

A Parkinson's diagnosis of Cardinal Martini revealed in 2002 meant that the people that gave us Cardinal

Martini that gave us Francis eventually would have to surrogate Francis for Martini.

We're going to examine your evidence, Dr. Mata, and you have a lot of it.

I listened to a lecture from you on Christmas Eve that was

really, really impressive. And I think you'll be able to make the case for us here today. But anyway,

Happy New Year. Merry Christmas. And thanks for being with me once again.

Oh, it's a pleasure, Timothy. Happy New Year. And Merry Christmas. And if I'm a little awkward today,

it's because I lost my lucky turkey bone and I no longer have access to the great Western

grandmother. Right, right, right. Yeah, Pacha Mama. Is it a kind of Potsamama of sort?

Which is thematically on point today.

So don't be, don't be awkward.

Well, you know, I don't even know if one should joke of such things, but there's always

the great earth mother.

No, I can't even make that joke.

There is no great earth mother.

But don't be awkward.

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