Visual Studio Code has become one of the most influential tools in modern software development.

The open source code editor has evolved into a platform used by millions of developers around the world,

and it has reshaped expectations for what a modern development environment can be through its intuitive U.S.,

rich extension marketplace, and deep integration with today's tooling landscape.

Now, in an era defined by rapid advances in AI-assisted programming, VS. Code is at the center

of a profound shift in how software is written. Kai Metzl is the engineering manager leading

the VS code team at Microsoft. He joins the show with Kevin Ball to talk about the origins of VS Code,

how AI has reshaped the editor's design philosophy,

the rise of agenic programming models,

and what the future of development might look like.

Kevin Ball, or K Ball, is the vice president of engineering at Mento and an independent coach for engineers and engineering leaders.

He co-founded and served as CTO for two companies, founded the San Diego JavaScript Meetup, and organizes the AI inaction discussion group through latent space.

Check out the show notes to follow KBall on Twitter or LinkedIn or visit his website,

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Kai, welcome to the show. Hi, Kevin. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, I am excited for this conversation.

So let's maybe start a little bit with you and your background and your journey to leading this VES code team.

Oh, so actually it started very, very early on.

So my first internship was already with DevTools, and I never really left DevTools.

And then, you know, now 10 years ago, I joined Microsoft explicitly for the VASQud effort.

So there was, you know, there was promise that there is something that could get traction in the market.

So, and that's the moment I joined.

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