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All right, so we start our number two.

Good to be with you.

Again, my thanks to Fred Katz.

Great conversation.

Talk about being in market on topic.

And in terms of him doing a book for the past year and a half,

you know, things did change.

He pointed out that things changed in 2022 and they got Brunson.

And the actual, the change in the front office changed.

If you read this piece, he did a deep dive for the athletic,

that the entire culture changed. And the way they did that deal for Brunson, it was very anti-Nix-like. They didn't rush into it. They waited. They held on to the leverage they had. They just didn't do. They weren't chasing the way they're always chasing. You should really read that piece. It's really interesting. and I'm sure that piece is not, it's not an excerpt, but it kind of gives you an idea of where that book is going. But you can only imagine how much better that book got the last couple of weeks. I mean, again, they did trail Atlanta two games to one early on. If they piece out in that series, it's an incredibly disappointing year. Think how much better that book got in the last two weeks?

Think how much better that book could still be in the next two weeks, depending on what happens.

So I thought that was a great conversation.

Antonio Daniels is coming up next segment.

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