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The Politics Guys

Voting Rights, Political Violence, Iran

The Politics Guys

Michael Baranowski

News, Politics

4.4 • 783 Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Mike, Justin, and special guest Kirby Goidel, a professor of political science at Texas A&M, open with the Supreme Court’s latest Voting Rights Act decision and what it means for racial representation, partisan gerrymandering, and the future of congressional redistricting. Justin argues that the ruling effectively makes racial vote-dilution claims nearly impossible to prove, especially when courts allow states to hide behind partisan explanations. Kirby pushes past the immediate partisan implications, suggesting that while the decision may hurt descriptive representation, its long-term effects on substantive representation are harder to predict. Mike is more sympathetic to the Court’s reasoning than expected, arguing that once race and party become highly correlated, Section 2 enforcement can begin to look like court-ordered Democratic gerrymandering. Next, the guys turn to the latest alleged assassination attempt against President Trump, the security response, the immediate political spin, and the administration’s argument that it strengthens the case for a new White House ballroom. Mike argues that the security system largely worked, while calling the ballroom justification legally and politically opportunistic. Justin focuses on the rise of lone-wolf political violence and the broader collapse of trust that makes conspiracy thinking almost automatic after events like this. Kirby emphasizes how quickly both parties convert crises into talking points and argues that political violence today is serious but should not be exaggerated beyond historical context. They close with the war against Iran, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, the War Powers Resolution deadline, and whether Congress still has any meaningful role in authorizing sustained military conflict. Kirby argues that Congress has effectively surrendered much of its war-making authority and is unlikely to reclaim it unless the war becomes politically unbearable. Justin sees the conflict as strategically underdefined and politically dangerous for Republicans, especially if it fractures the MAGA coalition or keeps driving up fuel prices. Mike argues that Iran may actually have the stronger position over time, because Trump’s demand for something close to unconditional surrender is not a real negotiation strategy and may collide with public anger over the war’s economic costs. You can listen to Kirby’s Inside Political Science podcast here. Check out the Future of Our Former Democracy podcast  Curious about what sort of POTUS you’d be? Find out in the Fantasy President presidential simulator. The Politics Guys on Facebook | X Listener support helps make The Politics Guys possible. You can support us or change your level of support at patreon.com/politicsguys or politicsguys.com/support. On Venmo, we’re @PoliticsGuys. The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it. Next, the guys turn to the latest alleged assassination attempt against President Trump, the security response, the immediate political spin, and the administration’s argument that it strengthens the case for a new White House ballroom. Mike argues that the security system largely worked, while calling the ballroom justification legally and politically opportunistic. Justin focuses on the rise of lone-wolf political violence and the broader collapse of trust that makes conspiracy thinking almost automatic after events like this. Kirby emphasizes how quickly both parties convert crises into talking points and argues that political violence today is serious but should not be exaggerated beyond historical context. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Atheists, agnostics, long-haired, weirdos, short-haired widows, vand-a-old, hooligans.

0:05.2

Love, the government, hug the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government.

0:12.1

Welcome to politics guys. I'm political scientist Michael Baranowski, an emeritus professor at North Kentucky University.

0:18.5

I'm joined today by University of Northern Iowa political scientist

0:21.5

Justin Holmes and a special guest, Kirby Goodell. Kirby is a professor of political science at

0:27.6

Texas A&A. and a host of the most excellent inside political science podcast, which you can find

0:34.3

in all major podcast apps and will be linked in today's show notes.

0:38.5

Kirby's also a grad school friend of mine.

0:40.8

And, you know, when we were in the program at the University of Kentucky, he was one of those guys we all kind of looked up to, knew he was going places.

0:48.7

I was the guy I spent way too much time watching Beverly Hills 90210 and Matt Lockeruns and then kind of panicking when I didn't understand my econometrics lesson.

0:58.9

So, but anyway, very different past, but I'm really glad to have you here today.

1:02.8

Kirby and Justin, you're ready to get going?

1:05.9

Yeah, good morning.

1:06.4

All fired up and ready to go.

1:08.1

All right.

1:09.2

Well, before we do that, one thing, I wanted to let folks know about another podcast,

1:13.7

I think you might like.

1:15.6

You know, red and blue states, sometimes they seem so far apart.

1:18.8

They might as well be different countries like post-World War II, East and West Germany.

1:24.0

And if you feel that way, too, check out the Signal Award-winning podcast, The Future of

1:28.3

Our Former Democracy, from our friends at More Equitable Democracy.

1:32.5

Back for a brand new season, the show examines what the U.S. can learn from Germany's political

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