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EU Confidential

Von der Leyen vs. Trump: Europe answers back

EU Confidential

POLITICO

Politics, News Commentary, News

4.4175 Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

He’s not even European — yet Donald Trump has topped POLITICO’s annual P28 ranking of the most powerful people who will shape Europe in 2026. EU Confidential host Sarah Wheaton takes you inside the gala in Brussels — where commissioners, MEPs, diplomats, lobbyists and journalists packed into a glittering room, even as the mood underneath the sparkle felt unusually tense. At the event, Ursula von der Leyen sat down with Carrie Budoff Brown, POLITICO’s executive editor, for an exclusive on-stage conversation — offering one of her first public reactions to Trump’s sharp criticism of EU leaders as "weak," and Washington’s dramatic new security strategy, which seeks to undermine them.Be sure to check out the full 2026 ranking here. Plus, we bring you Sarah’s conversation with Balázs Orbán, the Hungarian prime minister’s political director, who offers a perspective far outside the Brussels mainstream — on Ukraine, on Europe’s political direction, and on where he believes the EU keeps going wrong. And finally, we have a taste of Anne McElvoy’s interview with Nick Thomas-Symonds, the U.K.’s minister for European relations (for more, head to: Politics at Sam and Anne's ). And if you haven’t yet, listen to the exclusive interview our colleague Dasha Burns did with Donald Trump on our sister podcast The Conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Being evil queen has never been so fun.

0:03.0

And I am willing to do anything.

0:06.2

We will soon be at war.

0:07.7

You will have to take a side.

0:09.0

War with the Protestants.

0:10.3

What fun.

0:11.5

Or war with the Catholics.

0:12.9

None of us are safe.

0:14.4

Feels good to be bad.

0:16.0

The Serpent Queen on Channel 4.

0:18.5

Stream now.

0:21.4

Shh. It's all right, love. Go back to sleep.

0:27.5

Right now, 84,240 families are raising their children in temporary accommodation, often with

0:34.4

dangerous mould. It's not safe. It's not right, and it's not a home.

0:39.3

Shelter receives thousands of calls for advice and support each year.

0:43.3

With your donation, you could help us answer the next call.

0:46.3

Donate now at shelter.org.uk.

0:50.3

If it sounds busy, it is.

0:59.0

I'm at Politico's annual P28 Gala,

1:02.0

where Brussels political bubble has treated committee rooms for elegant dresses,

1:07.0

tuxedos, and a healthy dose of nervous diplomacy.

1:10.8

EU commissioners, MEPs, diplomats, tuxedos, and a healthy dose of nervous diplomacy.

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