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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

“Voluntary intoxication” and the Swalwell allegations

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

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4.4675 Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Explosive reporting in the San Francisco Chronicle made public sexual assault allegations against California Representative (and erstwhile candidate for governor) Eric Swalwell.

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0:00.0

from WNYC studios. I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Tuesday, April 14th.

0:15.0

So you've been hearing the news about Congressman Eric Swalwell giving up a seat and abandoning his campaign for governor of California.

0:22.7

That's the political headline. Here's a legal issue that may become important if Swalwell is

0:28.9

prosecuted. The former staffer who accused him of rape says the assault took place in a New York

0:35.4

hotel room after the two of them had been drinking.

0:38.9

Swalwell denies the charge.

0:40.8

Manhattan, DA, Alvin Bragg, is looking into the case.

0:44.0

If Bragg brings charges, he may run up against a piece of New York law known as the voluntary intoxication exclusion.

0:53.3

The voluntary intoxication exclusion. The exclusion makes it harder to find a

0:58.8

defendant guilty of a sex crime if the alleged victim voluntarily got drunk. Some states have this

1:05.6

exclusion. Some states don't. Members of the New York State Legislature have proposed closing the voluntary

1:12.1

intoxication exclusion for many years now, but the bill has never passed. Here's Assemblyman

1:18.0

from the Bronx Jeffrey Dinowitz last year, excuse me, last year on CNN, on New York one.

1:26.1

In situations like that where somebody is sexually assaulted, the cases are rarely prosecuted.

1:33.4

If you have a few drinks and you're drunk, that doesn't mean there's a sign on you that says,

1:38.2

you know, you could sexually assault me.

1:40.0

That's not right.

1:41.3

And we're trying to change that.

1:43.5

Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz last year.

1:46.6

We'll talk now about the potential Eric Swalwell case and the voluntary intoxication exclusion,

1:53.3

and more broadly about law and culture nearly a decade after the height of the Me Too movement.

1:58.8

Joining us is Jane Manning, a former sex crimes prosecutor,

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