As someone who believes in non-violence as a tactic, I'm always even more so caught in a conflict

around the sense of non-violence as a tactic seems to denote that our right

counterparts are going to be moved with empathy by our sufferer.

And after 40 to 50 years now of a, of a,

the way in which violence had been normalized

in this country because of technology and the way people are seeing violence and desensitized to it and the way that now folks are looking at black women and men and brown women and men being, you know,

rapid fire, being destroyed, shot, brutalized on a rapid basis every 45 seconds on their phone.

I am sometimes find myself in an internal ward of how do we stay committed to non-by us as a tactic to ensure is it still a tactic that can bring about freedom, safety? Freedom. Okay, go on board, bring out your little gun and cheek.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

that's ridiculous.

No, no, no, no, no, that's ridiculous.

No, I believe this kind of thing all the time.

I think hearing this.

That's how you talk about it,

I know, but we've got to hear that for so many it's a tactic but it's also about me. I became something

very special because of not violence.

And I don't even care what happened to the rest of the people.

All I know is what it did. What you just heard is a discussion between Minnie Jean Brown Tricky, the longtime

civil rights activist and member of the Little Rock Nine, and Ben McBride, founder of the Empower

Initiative. Both believe in and teach the principles of nonviolence, but you can hear the tension

between the Civil Rights veteran and her counterpart in the next generation.

It was a tension that existed at the height of the movement.

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