And the only thing that workness has to offer in exchange is to brainwash bright young minds like you to believe that you are victims,

to believe that you have no agency, to believe that what you must do to improve the world is to complain,

is to protest, is to throw soup on paintings.

And we on this side of the house are not on this side of the house because we do not wish to improve the world.

We set on this side of the house because we know that the way to improve the world is to work, is to create, it is to build.

And the problem with world culture is that it is trained too many young minds like yours.

I remember the debate club, I missed the debate club at school and I think Tuxedo should be brought back into style.

One man who has done his most for exactly that purpose is the person you just heard at the Oxford Union in a speech, a short speech,

that actually they talk a lot about viral clips, this one became viral.

And he is half of the amazing duo of podcasters, the best podcast outside of America.

It is called Trigonometry, Constantine Kissin, Francis Foster. Welcome back in studio.

Going to be back. It is good to be back Seb, thank you for having us.

This is like the US tour return, this is the return of Trigonometry, right?

We are back and better than ever.

Back and more dangerous than ever.

Alright, so much discussed, don't know how we are going to squeeze it into the next hour.

First things first, that viral video where you took on wokeism, how many views has it had by now?

It is hard to say, some of the between 100 and 200 million views, I think, across all platforms.

Why?

Because I think we are not used to hearing adults tell children or young people the truth,

and we have become a society, it is very uncomfortable with that.

I also think we have become a society that, you know, we chastise each other and we talk

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