Welcome back to the Podforce One podcast. I'm Miranda Devine. We are in Midtown Manhattan today,

where we are joined by former presidential candidate, entrepreneur, and Ohio gubernatorial candidate,

Vivek Rameswam. Thanks for joining us, Vivek. It's good to see you. It seems like forever ago that I was on your campaign bus in New Hampshire. That's right. That's right. Yeah. It does feel like forever ago. It was a wild ride. You had a fantastic run there. It was wild. Yeah. And we have great memories of it. Yeah. And since then so much has happened with you. There was Doge with Elon Musk. And now you're running for the governor of Ohio. Yep. Is that a consolation prize? No, I think it's, for me, it's an ultimate prize to lead from the front. And one of the things that I've learned about myself, I said during the presidential campaign, and I think I've learned about myself that it's definitely true the presidential campaign, and I think I've learned

about myself that it's definitely true about me, is that I'm somebody who's best positioned

to lead from the front. And I view this as a form of self-criticism, but I don't make for

particularly good number two. So you've got to know your weaknesses. And for me, that's one of

mine. And your me, that's one of mine.

And your primary opponent is, or potentially for the Democrats, is Amy Acton, who's

described as the Dr. Fauci of Ohio.

I think correctly described as such, yes.

Is that how you're going to one of your sort of methods of attack for her?

Well, I think about less as attack and more just let's talk about what's true, right?

So she doesn't really have much of a public record of taking a position on really any matter

of public importance other than COVID policy.

And she had different viewpoints than mine, both at the time and today.

Like what?

Well, she led Ohio to be the first state in the country that actually shut down our public

schools, which I thought was not an area where we wanted to be first.

In fact, an area where I did not want Ohio to shut down our public schools at all.

But the irony is, see, I went to public schools in Cincinnati

through eighth grade, and then I went to a private Jesuit high school called St. Xavier for high

school. You look back now, Cincinnati public high schools, they were closed for a year and a half

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