Hey, everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great

guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Vec Ramoswamy has made a few faux pas

recently that have really broken through. And this has been a serious problem because the man is

running in Ohio, a place where you kind of expect a Republican to win. but his numbers seem to be in a little bit of

trouble. Vec is, of course, known for his Christmas crash out along with Elon Musk. And it's been the

scenario where over and over again, Vec has the talking points. He has the institutional backing. He

seems well spoken and thoughtful. but it seems like he just keeps

clashing with American culture and doesn't quite understand why he's not resonating with

many GOP voters. A man who is a preacher out of Kentucky, Michael Clary, wrote a fantastic essay

on why we keep seeing this phenomenon over and over again. And it was so good,

I thought I'd invite him on to discuss it. So Michael, thank you so much for coming on.

My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. For people who don't know, can you just give a little

bit of background of who you are and what you do and why you ended up writing this essay?

Yeah, I'm a Southern Baptist pastor, church planter

at Christ the King Church in Fort Thomas, Kentucky. The church was founded in 2010. And over the last

15 years or so, I try to pay attention to cultural trends as it intersects with theology and how I have pastoral work to do

and the people that I care about in my church. And so a lot of our people are politically engaged.

They pay attention to the horse race and political trends as well. And I've just noticed paying

attention to Vivek Ramoswamy, and he's running in our state.

I mean, my church is in Kentucky, but I reside in Ohio because the church is just across the river.

So I'll be voting in the primary tomorrow for the Republican nomination.

And anyway, Vivek Ramoswamy, a lot of people are on the fence

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