it doesn't require me to have any technical access to anything that you own.

It's the least technical way of hacking and it's very scary.

Hi and welcome to Sabre reasons malicious life besides I'm Ran Levin. So, With websites and apps and apps we have pretty robust security protocols, passwords,

multi-factor authentication, and these kinds of things.

None of them are perfect, of course, but there's no doubt that electronic authentication

has come a long way since the 1980s or 90s. But when it comes to phone calls, says Rachel

Tobac, our guest today, we're still in the Middle Ages. Vishing or voice camps are probably as old as the telephone itself,

yet it is still very easy to impersonate someone over the phone

or spoof a phone calls origin.

Rachel Tobac is a hacker and the CEO of Social Proof Security,

where she helps people and companies keep their data safe by training and pen testing them on

social engineering risks.

Rachel spoke with Nate Nelson, our senior producer about Vishing.

How common is it, Where attackers get the information they need to impersonate

someone from and the many, many psychological tricks you can employ to fool the person on the other side of the line.

Trust me, after you listen to this conversation, you'll think twice, even three times,

before answering a call from an unrecognized number.

Enjoy the interview.

What is fishing?

Vishing is anytime you are attacking somebody with your voice so typically over the phone.

Vishing typically happens within say a few minute phone call where you

call and convince somebody to pay an invoice that you sent them that isn't real or

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