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Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio.

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Very important. Very, very important. In fact, I think as our taxes are being put together, what did I tell you, Joe? You're always fretting. You always like, I don't know. I don't know. And I'm the optimist. It's like the ying and the yang here. I don't know. I don't know how this year's going to go. I'm like, dude, we're fine. It's all going to be good. And how did 2025 turn out for the podcast? Much better than I thought.

It was about the same, right? Very similar to 24. I thought 24 was going to be high tide for us, man.

Nah, no, no, no, no. You thought just because all the stuff with Kevin Keats and the ACC championship and all that and the final four run, no, no, you'd a whole total year.

I can also say definitively, since we're looking at things compared to 2025 that um do you want me to channel my

inner um post rock new wave the killers voice here okay if i was comparing things comparing things to February of last year.

Oh, oh.

Double.

Oh.

Double of where we were in February of last year.

Now, why do you think that is, Joe?

So we should say thank you, Will Wade.

Yes.

Thank you, Caleb Wilson.

Thank you, Cambooz. Yes. Probably say thank you, Will Wade. Yes. Thank you, Caleb Wilson. Thank you, Camboos.

Yes.

Probably say thank you to all three.

You mean when all three triangle basketball teams have compelling reasons to talk about them, the number go up?

And Brandon Bussie.

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