Hello, I'm Heidi White.

And I'm Sean Johnson.

And you are listening to Close Reads, a podcast for The Incurable Reader on which we are discussing a new book starting today.

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Yeah, Moriac.

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Francois Mariac.

Vipers, Tangle.

I'm not going to do that French thee in my back of my throat thing.

I just need to know how to say the vowels.

So, as dear listener, you can tell, I am not David Kern.

David is just getting back from a trip with his boys. He had the best time, I'm sure he'll tell us about it on the next podcast. It was,

it seemed so much fun, just like a dream. All the sports and the Packers and the Brewers and

wonderful things.

But anyways, just getting settled back in at home.

And so Sean and I said, we would be happy to have a long conversation about vipers tangle with each other and let you off the hook, David.

So here we are, the two of us.

I'm going to share with our listeners that I did

indeed forget how to open the show. Before we got on the air, I was like, Sean, does David just say

hello? Does he just say hello? I'm Heidi White. And then Sean being Sean said, well, he doesn't say

that.

So if I messed it up, I'm really sorry if you were expecting a different opening with our fearless leader.

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