I need sports to have to clear the room.

Stand up and walk now.

Hello and welcome to The Watch.

My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at the ringer.com and joining me in the studio in London, it's Andy Greenwald.

We're cooking with gas today. Here we go. Okay, Andy, it's Friday. If you're listening to this in the United

States of America, Andy and I are here in London recording today as a special episode. We are going over

the first two episodes of Pluribus, which aired on Apple. You can watch those episodes, and I highly,

highly, highly recommend. Check those episodes out. And then you listen to this episode of the podcast,

because what we've got is a chat with Vince Gilligan after you and I talk for about 15 minutes. I'll get into

my conversation with Vince about the origins of this show. Yeah, how was that? Awesome.

Awesome. He's a white whale for us. We've never, I've never met him, never talked to him.

Actually, I was just like, never got you, man. And he was like, who are you?

I interviewed him in our New York offices, and he was enamored with the view from World Trade Center.

That's nice.

Yeah. So this is the first series from Vince Gilligan solely created by him since Breaking Bad.

Obviously, Gilligan had a role, a heavy hand. He co-created Better Call Saul.

He directed El Camino, which was the better, uh, the Breaking Bad spin off in 2019, I believe

it was. Um, but for the most part, you know, it's been a, it's been a few years. And Vince

Gilligan is part of a loose generation of writers

who I think defined prestige television

and like of that,

Dame Lindeloff, Matthew Weiner, David Chase,

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