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Our guest is a civil servant, a diplomat, who until last year held one of the most fascinating positions.

He's been an ambassador to Turkey.

He worked at the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office.

But he's spent time as a British intelligence officer. Do we call them a spy, I wonder? I think that's okay. Is that okay? Excellent. I'm the past master, Jonathan. Who's just finished a five-year spell as Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service, otherwise known as MI6. Richard Moore. It's lovely to meet you. It's been, I mean, it's been in the pipeline this for a while. It has. I've just been explaining to you, haven't I, off air, that we had a cake baked for you in the shape of Oxal Cross, you know, green and sand-coloured icing, all done by a brilliant colleague in what is our sort of equivalent of Q labs where we make some other ones.

So there is Q? You said it's a cake from Q? I was going to. Well, did it explode or something? And it's been eaten twice by the crisis operations room. Yeah, so I'm sorry about that. Well, I'm reassured that there is at least an existence of Q. Absolutely is. In fact, Q, the wonderful Blaze Metro Valley, who was Q, the head of all our

technologies, was, is my successor as C. So she became, she moved from being Q to being C.

It's strange. Is that unprecedented, I wonder? Has that happened before? And I also didn't

realise that. I assumed that you sort of your, because yes, you were sea, weren't you? Not like the sort of tropical storms that come through and you, so the next is D or E or whatever. So you're always C, which is M in James Bond. Exactly. Well, look, more of that in a minute. We're talking cricket first because that's why you're here and first time I do you're not your

first time to Lord is it I mean you're a regular visitor here I I may portray that

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