🫢 [VIDEO] - ISIS' $2 Billion Rise & Fall, EXPLAINED by Pulitzer Prize Winner | Joby Warrick • #134

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🗓️ 21 January 2023

⏱️ 185 minutes

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Joby Warrick is a 2x Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, author, and Middle East Expert. Since 1996, Joby has been at the Washington Post, where he currently serves as a National Security Reporter. His three books –– “The Triple Agent,” “Black Flags,” & “Red Line” (the second of which won him a Pulitzer Prize) –– are all Best-Sellers (links below). “Black Flags” by Joby Warrick: https://amzn.to/3WdiGwp “The Triple Agent” by Joby Warrick: https://amzn.to/3kgNvmu “Red Line” by Joby Warrick: https://amzn.to/3XxTe5W ***TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Joby’s remembers his first Pulitzer Prize 6:08 - Joby explains his first book on the infamous 2009 Attack on CIA Base in Afghanistan 14:48 - The hot Jordanian Translator who got Joby into bomber’s house; No judgment journalism 26:13 - Homeland’s CIA accuracy; General McChrystal’s Iraqi kid story 35:51 - The CIA’s tracking of Bin Laden in the leadup to Sepp 011 38:55 - Joby’s Nucalear Weapons reporting during Iraq War; Building trust in Middle East 45:20 - Rogue translators & developing sources 50:32 - How to determine whether CIA sources are telling the truth 56:39 - The Tom O’Neill WAPO CIA source story 1:03:27 - King Abdullah II of Jordan; Jordan & its role in the Middle East 1:13:28 - Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, The Founder of ISIS; The murder of Nick Berg 1:20:50 - Al Zarqawi’s radicalization in prison 1:24:29 - Al Zarqaqi meets Bin Laden; CIA & Zarqawi’s early standoffs 1:29:50 - King Abdullah told President Bush NOT to invade Iraq; Sectarian Violence (Sunnis & Shiites) 1:36:36 - Al Qaeda makes Al Zarqawi a franchisee; Iraq’s implosion post-invasion 1:41:30 - Nada Bakos - CIA’s chief Al Zarqawi targeter; How the US merked Al Zarqawi 1:46:33 - ISIS vs. ISIL naming; Al Baghdadi succeeds Al Zarqawi 1:50:19 - The Arab Spring of 2011; Al Nusra in Syria; ISIS leadership doesn’t do dirty work 1:56:22 - When did ISIS come on Joby’s radar? 2:01:05 - Caliphate explained; the brutality of ISIS 2:05:49 - The Kurds; 20th Century European Agreements that led to Middle East violence 2:14:04 - Strongman leaders; Bashar Al-Assad & Syria 2:21:43 - The Yazidi Genocide 2:26:56 - How the US neutralized ISIS 2:35:12 - The US Drone Program; The War in Yemen 2:42:37 - What’s happening in Iran right now? 2:48:32 - Iran’s race to a nuclear weapon 2:52:46 - Israel’s new far-right government 2:56:52 - The Jordanian Intelligence Service (Mukhabarat); The Laurence Foley hit 3:00:34 - Joby’s Middle East schedule; Joby’s upcoming book project Intro Credits: “Homeland” (Showtime) “The Looming Tower” (Hulu) “Body of Lies” (2008) “Munich” (2005) “The Physician” (2013) “Zero Dark Thirty” (2012) ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “TRENDIFIER”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	The most fascinating terrorist figure I think I've ever come across.
0:03.0	We're familiar with Bin Laden.
0:05.0	Bin Laden and Zawahiri, his number two guy, they were of a completely different type.
0:10.0	These were people who were professionals.
0:12.0	Bin Laden was an engineer.
0:14.0	His number two was a medical physician, so they're educated, sophisticated people.
0:18.0	They have sort of a strategic vision of this terrorist organizations trying to create.
0:22.6	So Kali was none of that. He was just a street tough. So when you walk into a bar, do you introduce yourself as two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, Joe, you work?
0:54.1	Only if I'm looking for a date, which I'm not allowed to do anymore.
0:57.4	Hey, you're married. You got to watch that. I don't know, man. I actually just found out about
1:02.0	because we were talking about, I didn't realize that you had also won one that there's a whole
1:06.2	Pulitzer for just, what was it, newspaper and, like, reporting journalism, not writing books?
1:12.1	Yeah, yeah.
1:12.8	And so that was back in the 90s, and so it was an investigative project.
1:16.7	I did with another reporter down in North Carolina, actually.
1:20.1	And of all subjects in the world that you would not expect to be known for, the subject was hog poop, literally. It was a story about factory farms.
1:31.0	And there's massive growth of these huge farms, in this case, for pigs. So putting 10,000, 30,000
1:39.9	hogs under one roof industry that grew overnight and was essentially allowed to come into
1:45.1	southern states because of lax regulations, not much environmental enforcement. And so they ended up
1:50.3	literally creating a massive ecological disaster. And so myself and this other reporter, we kept
1:55.6	pulling on this thread and we realized there was a huge story there. And then again, just did good journalism and didn't expect to get much recognition.
2:06.1	And it always was a little bit of a slight embarrassment.
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