😳 [VIDEO] - CIA Nuclear Spy: I am a Sociopath | Jim "Mad Dog" Lawler • #129

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Julian Dorey

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🗓️ 10 December 2022

⏱️ 178 minutes

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Jim “Mad Dog” Lawler is a spy, nuclear weapons expert, and author. Mad Dog was a 25-year Covert CIA Nuclear Spy who carried out missions around the world and became one of the agency’s most decorated senior officers. He is allegedly no longer in the CIA and has become a prolific author in his “retirement.” Mad Dog Lawler’s books are fictional spy thrillers “based on” his personal experiences at the CIA. BUY “In The Twinkling of an Eye” by Jim Lawler: https://amzn.to/3FCYqzd BUY “Living Lies” by Jim Lawler: https://amzn.to/3FIDHdr 0:00 - How Jim joined the CIA; What is a Case Officer? 12:28 - Jim: I am a sociopath 25:54 - The assets CIA recruits & how they do it 31:13 - Jim’s first asset recruit story; How Jim pitched people to become traitors 45:46 - America’s role in the world; A funny asset story 52:54 - How polygraphs work; How CIA paid foreign spies 57:40 - Did you ever lose a spy? 1:03:55 - How contact with CIA at Langley HQ works 1:06:04 - How Jim Became a Nuclear Spy; The Khan Network 1:15:17 - Appealing to different cultures 1:25:35 - How CIA approached changed post Sepp 011; Libya & WMD 1:29:17 - CIA paramilitary ops in Afghanistan 1:33:49 - Jim revisits Iraq & Nuclear Weapons 1:38:15 - Former CIA Director George Tenet’s career 1:48:11 - Politics in the CIA & Gov Agencies 1:54:19 - CIA involvement in Iran; Iranians developing nuke? 2:00:17 - The Iran Nuclear Deal; Jim’s books’ ties to Iran 2:06:03 - The current uprising in Iran 2:12:49 - Russia Ukraine War; Putin’s status 2:21:38 - Does US have say over Ukraine & Zelensky? 2:27:12 - The 4th Turning; Fears of Nuclear Weapon Use 2:36:37 - The protests in China against the CCP 2:42:53 - Chinese spies; The US’ main foreign foe, according to Jim 2:50:09 - How Jim got the name “Mad Dog” Intro Credits: “Body of Lies” (2008) AP CNN CSPAN “The Devil’s Double” (2011) “The Dictator” (2012) Journeyman.TV VICE News ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “TRENDIFIER”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's interesting to talk with you because your expertise was in the field under cover with nuclear arms deals and things like that.
0:06.0	And it's like the whole reason we went to Iraq was because they had WMD.
0:10.0	And that turned out to not be true.
0:12.0	That's exactly right. People asked me about that sometime.
0:15.0	And it is, it is true that Saddam Hussein had been working on nuclear weapons before then.
0:20.0	He had used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
0:23.4	The Kurds are an ethnic group there in Iraq.
0:25.4	Killed thousands of them.
0:26.6	In fact, one of his cousins was known as Chemical Ali.
0:29.6	And Chemical Ali used... Jim Lawler. Thank you for being here, sir. Oh, my pleasure there, Julian. How was the drive up morning? Actually, he had a long one. Yeah, it was about two and a half hours, maybe a little less than that, but pretty smooth, nice weather. Sun was shining, my heart was singing. And you live right outside D.C., right? That's correct. In McLean, Virginia, about four miles from CIA headquarters. Dangerously close. Dangerously close. I've been known to bicycle it and I've
1:13.3	actually run it before. And you run every morning now, right? 364 days a year. I take Christmas
1:19.7	off. Oh, just one day? One day. Unless I'm injured. Wow. Which seems to be happening more and more
1:26.6	as I get a little older, but I still get back into it.
1:29.3	How long do you run?
1:30.3	I try and do 20 miles a week running and another 10 walking, 10 to 15.
1:36.3	Wow. Yeah. That's really good for you.
1:38.3	I used to do 45 miles a week, but I've gotten a little older and scaled back to good 20 miles a week that's interesting
1:45.1	because i would imagine if you could you pull that mic in just a little bit thank you i could
1:49.6	imagine we're going to talk a lot about your many years as a spy today at the CIA and everything
1:54.8	but i can imagine like guys like you constantly being in new places and high stress situations
2:07.4	one of the best ways to reset yourself every single day is to start the day off with some sort of workout, no?
2:18.6	Absolutely. It keeps you not only physically fit, but psychologically fit. I could review what I was going to go be doing during the day. I could review a particular operation I was trying to do. Think of a way if I was going to go be doing during the day i could review a particular operation i was trying to do think of a way if i was going to pitch somebody i would uh think about you know the exact
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