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Arts & Ideas

Victorian Values

Arts & Ideas

BBC

Society & Culture

4.2598 Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

What does the phrase 'Victorian values' conjure today? Matthew Sweet and guests explore what we have inherited from that formative era in relation to political ideas, civic culture, aesthetics, and social and sexual mores. How does our view of the Victorian age match the historical reality? And can we move beyond stereotypes of repression and the stiff upper lip?

AN Wilson, writer, biographer and historian

Gisela Stuart, Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston, crossbench peer in the House of Lords

Sarah Williams, Research Professor in the History of Christianity at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada and author of When Courage Calls: Josephine Butler and the Radical Pursuit of Justice for Women

Fern Riddell, historian and writer. Her latest book is Victoria’s Secret: The Private Passion of a Queen (2025)

And Matthew Stallard, Research Associate from the Centre for the Study of the Legacies of British Slavery at University College London.

Producer: Eliane Glaser

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:07.0

Hello, I'm Greg Jenner, and good news,

0:09.5

Your Dead to Me, is back for a new series.

0:11.6

Here we go.

0:12.1

Yes, we'll explore Emperor Nero's notorious reign with Professor Mary Beard and Patton Oswald.

0:16.9

I would not want my daughter having the remote control, not alone an empire.

0:38.6

We'll dissect the decadent life of Philippe Duke-Dolion with Tom Allen. I've often tried to pretend I'm an aristocrat and being very quickly knocked down. And there'll be so much more with comedians like Olga Koch, Mike Wozniak and Rihelina. I'm excited. You're dead to me. The comedy podcast that takes history seriously. Listen first on BBC Sounds.

0:44.8

My name's Matthew Sweet and you're listening to the Arts and Ideas podcast. On the 22nd of January 2001, an old woman breathed her last in a well-ventilated bedroom on the Isle of White.

0:51.8

She had not been ready to die, not quite.

0:54.7

The previous day, she'd looked her doctor in the eye and said,

0:58.1

I should like to live a little longer, as I have still a few things to settle.

1:02.8

It was almost a command he proved unable to fulfil it.

1:07.5

Henry James found a word to describe the silent crowds that gathered in London to mourn the

1:13.4

death of Queen Victoria, motherless. His fellow novelist Marie Carelli, whose name became the source of

1:20.4

the Cockney rhyming slang for Telly, reached for an astronomical metaphor. England's Queen is

1:26.5

dead. The words sound as heavily as though one should say

1:30.1

the sun is no longer in the sky.

1:33.3

But here's a fact to put beside these accounts of grief

1:36.5

and cosmic darkness.

1:38.6

By the time of Victoria's death,

1:40.7

the word Victorian was already a pejorative,

1:47.2

mid-Victorian, even more so. And once the First World War was over, the meaning of Victoria and her age had calcified into something

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